The Thal'Hus
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Post by The Thal'Hus on Jun 14, 2016 10:09:47 GMT
I am planning on the Nalthar attacking the five galaxies at once, as they have many forces. Their population is also rather plentiful, and is a significant threat. IN addition, they have technology capable of shape shifting their ships. For example, a Nalthar battleship can show itself as a battleship of some other nation, but its weapons are still of the Nalthar.
Perhaps they can attack moments before the True Invaders come along. Or maybe they can come together.
What do you think, people?
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Post by Acruan on Jun 14, 2016 22:17:39 GMT
regardless of number... you'd need hundreds of QUADRILIONS Nalthar to make that happen, just to consider what populous is, the Keltaken which are an extremely fast reproducing race get that many members. Considering they are supposed to be lost enough, and from somewhere not specified by yourself, I'd really need to know about their numbers before anything, a message to me will do.
A simple problem in your plan though is that IFFs are widely employed, and I'm sure that after the Invaders began using ships of the people, just using ships that look the same would... get them shot before warnings in half of the galaxies that came in contact with Invaders. (Or at least part of it.) That considering the somehow got proper IFFs of the places they were going to Invade, IFFs that would match something in the local databases, among other things. if it was just that could be done anyway, but the real problem is the number of Nalthar out there (and it is Thrace's invasion, have to ask him about it).
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 15, 2016 0:34:42 GMT
regardless of number... you'd need hundreds of QUADRILIONS Nalthar to make that happen, just to consider what populous is, the Keltaken which are an extremely fast reproducing race get that many members. Considering they are supposed to be lost enough, and from somewhere not specified by yourself, I'd really need to know about their numbers before anything, a message to me will do. A simple problem in your plan though is that IFFs are widely employed, and I'm sure that after the Invaders began using ships of the people, just using ships that look the same would... get them shot before warnings in half of the galaxies that came in contact with Invaders. (Or at least part of it.) That considering the somehow got proper IFFs of the places they were going to Invade, IFFs that would match something in the local databases, among other things. if it was just that could be done anyway, but the real problem is the number of Nalthar out there (and it is Thrace's invasion, have to ask him about it). Maybe the Nalthar have many enslaved peoples to use, hmm? And seeing Keltaken looking ships attaxking Colonial territory is probably enoigh to cause confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 4:14:38 GMT
Unlikely. Ever the Invaders appeared for the first time, the Kriegsflotte has been using systems of IFF's and recognition codes, so even if a ship would look Colonial, it wouldn't fool the Colonials. And even if the Nalthar turn into different foreign ships, it wouldn't create any confusion. The Colonies are in Condition Zero, anything that attacks them is to be destroyed , mit minding what it is.
As for the Nalthar attack, like Acruan said, I'm seriously doubting that they would have the necessary numbers to do that. Even for the Invaders, who have continuously absorbed ships and people over the world, a complete attack like that would be difficult. And if the Nalthar attack, they will also have to fight against the Invader forces.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 4:29:18 GMT
I just also express my doubts about how efficient the Nalthar ship shape shifting thingy is. While I understand that visually, they could do it, there are a lot of internal parameters at a ship, and specifications, engine power, reactors, shields, and so on,which would determine how a ship is moving and reacting. Without knowing those specifications, it would be difficult for the Nalthar to create convincing copies.
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Post by Acruan on Jun 15, 2016 4:36:52 GMT
Nono, I'm saying the whole Keltaken Empire which covers a considerable amount of our largest galaxy, has a total that doesn't get halfway to hundreds of quadrilions... counting all their sentients. We aren't talking about 'many' we are talking more than a normal sized galaxy having all of its planets and people enslaved That there would be good enough for confusion. Again, check with the one who has the wonderful Invaders under his control. Lastly, it depends more on people wanting it than anything since you asked them. As Thrace said too, the shape-shifting, could be externally plausible, but the internally, it isn't the most plausible thing to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 5:25:08 GMT
And, for the Invaders, it is extremely unlikely that they would cooperate with anyone, no matter what happens. And adding the Nalthars to the equation would create more problems in the last two small arcs we will need to end the Invader plot.
I think that it would be the best if we would let this for after the end of the Invader plot.
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Post by Acruan on Jun 15, 2016 6:12:41 GMT
The idea for it to happen after the Invader plot seems nice in my opinion. It could even give people some amount of scare to make them think the Invaders have returned, depending on how these arcs ends and how you play it out, might be even more threatening than just the idea of coming with the Invaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 6:23:29 GMT
Yep. But maybe we could get some more information about how exactly the Nalthar shape shift their ships?
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Post by The Governor on Jun 15, 2016 6:57:12 GMT
The idea for it to happen after the Invader plot seems nice in my opinion. It could even give people some amount of scare to make them think the Invaders have returned, depending on how these arcs ends and how you play it out, might be even more threatening than just the idea of coming with the Invaders. The Delieggen will also be a major post Invader arc. There will be another war between them and the Confederacy, as well as limited, specialised forces from others who want to be involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 16:19:39 GMT
The idea for it to happen after the Invader plot seems nice in my opinion. It could even give people some amount of scare to make them think the Invaders have returned, depending on how these arcs ends and how you play it out, might be even more threatening than just the idea of coming with the Invaders. The Delieggen will also be a major post Invader arc. There will be another war between them and the Confederacy, as well as limited, specialised forces from others who want to be involved. Depending on the outcome of the Conference, the Colonies might go through a period of turmoil after the end of the Abyssal war.
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 15, 2016 22:41:28 GMT
People, I looked at the Nalthar app in Race Apps and I saw that they are actually allies to the Invaders. Thal'hus says that they are the spies for the Invaders, most likely due to their shapeshifting ability.
By thw way, the Metatons will also be a major arc after the Invader plot.. Their ability to take control of machines of any kind, as well as the fact they are divided into two warring factions, makes the Rakturan Metatons a significant threat.
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Post by Acruan on Jun 15, 2016 22:59:30 GMT
People, I looked at the Nalthar app in Race Apps and I saw that they are actually allies to the Invaders. Thal'hus says that they are the spies for the Invaders, most likely due to their shapeshifting ability. By thw way, the Metatons will also be a major arc after the Invader plot.. Their ability to take control of machines of any kind, as well as the fact they are divided into two warring factions, makes the Rakturan Metatons a significant threat. . Homeworld: The Void(?) Allegiances: Nalthar Empire Lifespan: 1000 years Appearance: Like other Suprions, they have whitish scaled skin, and they lack visible mouths. They have purple glowing eyes. On average they are 6-7 feet tall. Abilities: Shape-shifting(they can choose to alter their appearance into some other race they know), telekinetics, illusionary attacks, and cybernetic abilties. Their ships are also capable of disguising as ships of other races. They can also disguise as inanimate entities, such as rocks. Other: They worship the True Invaders like they were gods. They are known as servants of the Fallen Celestial. The other Suprions believe them to be extinct. ============================= It was said that " They worship the True Invaders like they were gods." Not that they are their allies. And according to the rest of the thread, they worship the Invaders because " They worship the True Invaders because they were promised a place as well as riches once they are finished in their conquest of the universe." As for the Metatons, it depends on whom they attack and nation's reaction to them. I mean, ever since the Acruani... AI's of IIA and Colonies are either Acruani or the kind who would be prepared against cyber attacks, because of the the Acruani (due to enmity).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 18:57:19 GMT
As I said when the application for the Nalthar was posted, I have nothing against the Nalthar worshipping the True Invaders like Gods. But as Acruani has said, that doesn't mean that they are allied. It would only mean that the Abyssals do probably tolerate them, more or less. It is already known that the Invaders don't ally or cooperate with other races or factions unless they can be sure of their loyalty, meaning that they'll have to be completely under the control of the Xenoliths.
Now, about the Metatons, they would indeed be a threat, but I don't think that it would be that much a big threat, at least for the Colonies. The Colonial Defense Network(including the Colonial Tactical Networks and the Colonial Strategic Network), and all the computers and digital electronics of the Colonies include really strong cybernetic defenses, since the paranoia of the Colonials regarding enemy cyberattacks has never vanished.
It would be difficult for the Metatons to cyberattack the Colonies, especially due to all the failsafes which are put in place in Colonial machines.
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 17, 2016 11:42:51 GMT
Erhm. Cyberattacks isnt the only thing they do. They have damaged many civlizations in the wake of their unedlnding war against each other(until Eldari psi-disruptors silenced them for many thousands of years). Along the way, they incorporated much tech, and use it against each other. Thus, the Rakturan Metatons are very well capable of launching a conventional attack, but once the Ingurin detect that the Rakturans are attacking something, they will come in the place and will help fight off the Rakturans.
Now, I don't know, but the Nalthar app says that Nalthar masters are cabale of moving ships. They might be able to bring an entire fleet without manning them, but will simply use telekinetics to control them... that might explain that they would be able to attack the five galaxies at once.
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