The Thal'Hus
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Post by The Thal'Hus on Jun 10, 2016 3:31:31 GMT
Homeworld: Akh'Xan (Realm of the gods); Location unkown Allegiances: To the Arga(The Supreme Creator of the Celestials, Ancients, and the Suprions)
Lifespan: Immortal. They can only be bound for eternity, but never permanently killed, However, their power can also be reduced to the point that they are no more than weak, wandering spirits. Appearance: Fiery beings of light. They wear armor of dazzling gold, and have wings like beacons. Abilities: Celestials are capable of doing immense destruction, but they live to keep the cosmic order. Other: (Anything I missed.) WIP
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 5:19:34 GMT
Immortals? Beings of light?
And who are these Arga? Nobody ever mentioned that the Ancients were created by someone.
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 10, 2016 23:19:55 GMT
Immortals? Beings of light? And who are these Arga? Nobody ever mentioned that the Ancients were created by someone. I think that these Celestials are basically what the xel'naga in Starcraft are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 6:07:58 GMT
Immortals? Beings of light? And who are these Arga? Nobody ever mentioned that the Ancients were created by someone. I think that these Celestials are basically what the xel'naga in Starcraft are. This isn't StarCraft though. I thought that we had agreed that the Ancients had something to do with the creation of the Suprions, but now a new race is created, which is seemingly put on the same level with the Ancients. While don't have any big problems with the Celestials themselves, although they seem to be a little OP, my problem is with these Arga. I've never mentioned that the Ancients have been created by anyone, an this was done without asking me at all.
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The Thal'Hus
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Post by The Thal'Hus on Jun 14, 2016 9:49:44 GMT
For a more detailed explanation...
The Ancients may well not be created by anyone (if creating them would not be permitted) , but it was the Arga that comissioned them to intervene in evolutionary processes. Sorry, for not consulting you in regards to that. I kind of modified some of my ideas. By the way, I would like to know, why do the Ancients bother with changing evolutions? An explanation could be that they do it because they want to create a race that will eventually transcend as Ancients themselves, as the Ancients are basically gods... And there are two races I see so far that are probably the closest to transcendence - The Suprions and the Eldari, both of which have powerful psionics.
The Celestials, on the other hand, were created by the Arga, but their purpose is to keep the cosmic balance. They are to fight the Fallen Celestials, Celestials that have fallen, and thus are now corrupted and are evil beyond comprehension. The Celestials are locked into an eternal war against the Fallen Celestials, preventing them from entering the material universe and preventing them from destroying it. Because of the Celestials, the Fallen can only send their minions to attack the material universe, and they having limited success so far. These minions include the Nalthar, and probably the Invaders(if you allow it, the Invaders may be independent but just as evil), as well as a race of shadpwy demons simply called the Shadows of the Void. Moreover, they also keep the overall order of the cosmos.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 16:11:10 GMT
While the idea in itself is interesting, it conflicts with what I have thought about the Ancients, and what I have left as clues about them until now into this roleplay. Because even if the idea of an Ancient race like that wasn't mine; it belonged to one of the very original players of this roleplay, although at the time, when we didn't really talk about the past and such, we called them the Forerunners. Although I never did submit a full official app for the Ancients or anything, mainly because they don't exist anymore, but I do feel like I created most of them, and I have largely already decided parts of their history, and how they were, since it's a little connected to the Invaders. So, while your idea is nice, the first problem is that because it's not only affecting the Ancients and the Invaders, but also the old history of this Universe as a whole, it would have been nice to firstly discuss it with the other players before posting an app like this. Now, I will try to explain while your idea can't be set into place, but my explanation will unfortunately be pretty vague, since I don't want to reveal really more about the Ancients. Yes, the Ancients mingled with the evolution of certain races, and yes, it was because they wanted to create a new race, but not necessarily to transcend themselves. The Ancients were powerful yes, but they weren't gods, and creating a race more powerful than them wouldn't exactly be something they wanted. Initially, they wanted to create a race to use it for something, but after the event which led to the collapse of their race, the few survivors that remained attempted to create races to fix their mistakes, that's why they tried to mingle in the human evolution as an example, although it wasn't necessarily successful. For the Arga, I wouldn't have a problem necessarily with their existence, but having two ancient that powerful races in the history of this universe would be too much, and the biggest problem is that you're making them sound as if they were more powerful and important than the Ancients, which would create some big plotholes. For the Invaders, what we call the Invaders currently, as I have explained, are only a part of their entire race, which is divided into Thirteen Orders, as they are called. Due to various reasons, we will only fight with the ones we know, and for the near future, I'm not going to reveal anything else about the race. But yes,they aren't independent, they are under someone's control, not only the Order we are facing, which is pretty low in their race's hierarchy, but also their race itself is under someone's control. Unfortunately, I have already thought about who is behind that, so they can't be the Fallen Celestials, The Fallen Celestials could however be under the control of that someone however.
Now, because I have to, I want to voice my concerns about the problems regarding the Celestials themselves. I don't have any OP powers, but I just want to say it. - They do seem to be a little overpowered. Your description is rather vague, and from what we have like them being "fiery beings of light", and them being "capable of immense destruction", it would seem that they are on the same level with the Ancients or even stronger than the Invaders.
- Immortality. Up to this point, we don't have any race which is truly immortal. Even the Markers and the Invaders, and the Ancients, although they live for a long time, are difficult as hell to kill, aren't immortal.
- Their quest with keeping the order of the cosmos. While there is no problem with this quest itself, it's quite clear that if they would be accepted, until now, they would have failed horribly, and it would be near impossible for them to accomplish their quest anytime in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 15, 2016 0:31:47 GMT
I think that the Arga is just one person... I read the history of the Suprions in the wiki, and the Arga seems to be their God...
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 15, 2016 0:33:00 GMT
Maybe as strong as Goku? Or maybe as powerful as Freiza...
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Post by The Governor on Jun 15, 2016 5:03:46 GMT
Maybe as strong as Goku? Or maybe as powerful as Freiza... Please no. Let's please leave that level of OP out of this RP. We've allowed the Invaders to proceed this long because strong as they are, they are nowhere near that level. The Invaders have also been very well-played and carefully thought out and RP'ed. I wont allow something as unrealistically strong as what is proposed into the RP without A LOT of explanation and preparation to smoothly integrate them into present plot lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 5:28:45 GMT
I personally believed that while the Invaders are indeed strong, I did play them pretty well, and I pointed out both their strenghts and their weaknesses, while allowing players to beat them if they used the necessary tactics to take advantage of their weaknesses. And the Ancients, although they are pretty OP, were never used and will never be used, they just exist in the past for plot reasons.
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Post by Asriel Dreemurr on Jun 17, 2016 11:23:16 GMT
I personally believed that while the Invaders are indeed strong, I did play them pretty well, and I pointed out both their strenghts and their weaknesses, while allowing players to beat them if they used the necessary tactics to take advantage of their weaknesses. And the Ancients, although they are pretty OP, were never used and will never be used, they just exist in the past for plot reasons. Jah, they can't be used because they are all dead. Except for one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:24:26 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily say that they are all dead, but yes, one is alive, but however, doesn't enjoy any more the powers the Ancients had.
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The Thal'Hus
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Post by The Thal'Hus on Jul 14, 2016 10:41:44 GMT
The Celestials are for backstory purposes , then. They are significant in Suprion Lore or History....
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Post by Acruan on Jul 14, 2016 23:26:53 GMT
As long as they are there for Lore, purely on the background. It is accepted. Any lore that is shared with a race or nation that isn't your own, however, is to be discussed with the involved players BEFORE a post is made. You can use them for background purposes, but before, fully finish this application. And notify me once you are done, alright @arcturia? Once you do that, I'll give you a proper okay.
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